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Norman knight Hugh de Grandmesnil. Hastings 1066
Figure by Yury Pyatkov painted with acrylics and oils.
Work Discussion (comments: 10)
11.09.16 [08:32]
Valatar Aleanath ( Сумы )
Вот! В сравнении с предыдущими работами сейчас можно вполне ответственно сказать, что рост есть. Поздравляю, коллега!
14.09.16 [19:52]
Fill Good ( Гомель, Беларусь )
Magnus Maximus Wrote:Вы как хотите, но от названия я здорово повеселился ))
А что же в нем смешного?
14.09.16 [22:08]
Magnus Maximus
Наивное стремление совместить транскрипции свою собственную, традиционную и правильную ))
15.09.16 [19:43]
Fill Good ( Гомель, Беларусь )
Magnus Maximus Wrote:Наивное стремление совместить транскрипции свою собственную, традиционную и правильную ))
И как же, Вы полагаете, правильно? Хотя традиционно в русскоязычной историографии пишется "Гастингс"... Но правильно по-аглицки говорить, конечно же, Хейстин(г)с. Вот насчет Гуго не вполне уверен - был ли такой персонаж вообще в истории?
15.09.16 [21:50]
Magnus Maximus
Поздравляю, и Вы туда же! Вы уж или крестик наденьте... то бишь, пишите или как правильно, или как традиционно ))
17.09.16 [22:06]
Sagumo ( Беларусь, Могилев )
Всем спасибо за внимание и комментарии.
Виктор, большое спасибо за внимание и комментарий к предыдущей работе. Ваши советы применены в двух крайних работах, каковые тут будут опубликованы.
Митяй - большое спасибо за отзыв, очень рад что Вам понравилось.
Филипп - Гуго де Гранмесниль упомянут на пресловутом гобелене из Байе как ближайший сподвижник Вильгельма и один из командиров конницы.
Magnus Maximus - ну режет мне слух "традиционная" транскрипция, уж слишком далека она от оригинала. Предложил средний вариант, поскольку оригинал звучит тяжеловато для русскоговорящих. В любом случае, я не против, что Вас это веселит . Уверен, что Ваши историко-лингвистические комментарии существенно выиграли от небольшой добавки в виде искусствоведения. Хотя бы в виде наивного стремления.
С уважением, Андрей.
Виктор, большое спасибо за внимание и комментарий к предыдущей работе. Ваши советы применены в двух крайних работах, каковые тут будут опубликованы.
Митяй - большое спасибо за отзыв, очень рад что Вам понравилось.
Филипп - Гуго де Гранмесниль упомянут на пресловутом гобелене из Байе как ближайший сподвижник Вильгельма и один из командиров конницы.
Magnus Maximus - ну режет мне слух "традиционная" транскрипция, уж слишком далека она от оригинала. Предложил средний вариант, поскольку оригинал звучит тяжеловато для русскоговорящих. В любом случае, я не против, что Вас это веселит . Уверен, что Ваши историко-лингвистические комментарии существенно выиграли от небольшой добавки в виде искусствоведения. Хотя бы в виде наивного стремления.
С уважением, Андрей.
18.09.16 [16:31]
Magnus Maximus
А вот тут не насмешили, а огорчили. Юг де Гранмениль (сам по себе, "as a warrior and as one of the restorers of [аббатства] St. Evroul, had already played a notable part in Norman politics, and he was to be prominent on both sides of the Channel during the reigns of William I and of Rufus, holding large estates in England in 1086 [также шатлен Лестера]" - Douglas), сын Робера I, упоминается у Гийома из Пуатье в "Деяниях Гийома" среди участников сражения (ed. Chibnall, p. 134 - Hugo de Grentmaisnil).
Биография:
Grandmesnil, Hugh de (d. 1098), baron and administrator, was the eldest of the three sons of Robert, lord of Grandmesnil (in the canton of St Pierre-sur-Dives, Calvados) in Normandy, and Hawise, daughter of Giroie, lord of Echauffour and Montreuil-l'Argillé (whose family were both vassals and rivals of the Bellême family). Hawise was, secondly, the wife of William, son of Robert, archbishop of Rouen; she eventually became a nun at Montivilliers accompanied by two of her daughters, for whom her son Hugh made provision. When their father died in 1040, Hugh and his brother Robert apparently each inherited part of the family fief. Their youngest brother, Arnold, and their cousin William de Montreuil went to Apulia as mercenaries c.1050. Hugh and Robert were immortalized by their decision to found a monastery, according to a fashion then sweeping Normandy, some time about 1050. The site chosen being unsuitable, they followed the advice of their uncle William fitz Giroie and decided to refound the ancient abbey of St Evroult, first compensating the monks of Bec who then owned the ruins. The monk and historian of St Evroult, Orderic Vitalis, tells of the generous endowment of the abbey by the brothers and their maternal kin. In the same year the younger brother Robert entered the abbey as a monk; he became its abbot in 1059.
Falsely accused by Mabel de Bellême, wife of Roger de Montgomery, in the wake of a rebellion by Robert fitz Giroie, Hugh and Robert de Grandmesnil, among others of their maternal kin, were exiled in 1061. Robert became an abbot in Sicily, but Hugh was recalled in 1064 and subsequently fought with Duke William at Hastings. The move undoubtedly made his fortune. During William's absence in Normandy in 1067, Grandmesnil was among those left in charge. By 1086 he was castellan and sheriff of Leicestershire, where he held sixty-seven manors. He also held extensive property in Nottinghamshire, Hertfordshire, Northamptonshire, Gloucestershire, Warwickshire, and Suffolk. Several of his Norman vassals held these lands from him, including Hugh and Robert Burdet, Osbert de Neufmarché, and Walter de Beaumais. He returned to Normandy in 1068 to check on the activities of his beautiful French wife, Adelize or Adeliza (d. 11 July 1091), daughter of Ivo, count of Beaumont-sur-Oise. Adelize's English dower lands were recorded separately from her husband's in the Domesday survey of 1086. They included manors in Bedfordshire, which Hugh had acquired by exchange with Ralph Taillebois. After Ralph's death (before 1086) Hugh disputed Ralph's inheritance with Hugh de Beauchamps, Ralph's son-in-law and principal heir, and with the husband of Ralph's niece, Ranulf, brother of Ilger.
Two of Grandmesnil's sons, Ivo and Aubrey, earned their father's disapproval by joining the revolt of the king's son Robert Curthose in 1078. Hugh was among those who helped to effect a reconciliation between the king and Robert in 1079. Although he supported Curthose against William II in 10878, Hugh retained his offices under the new king. He was in Normandy in January 1091, assisting Robert de Courcy, husband of his daughter Rohais, against Robert de Bellême. This action provoked conflict with Robert Curthose, but matters were resolved by the appearance of William II in Normandy. Hugh de Grandmesnil was in England when he died, on 22 February 1098, a few days after becoming a monk of St Evroult, whose habit had previously been sent to him for the purpose. His body was buried later the same year at St Evroult, where Orderic Vitalis wrote his epitaph. Hugh and Adelize had ten children: five daughters, Adelina (who married Roger d'Ivry), Rohais (Robert de Courcy), Matilda (Hugh de Montpinçon), Agnes (William de Sai), and Hawise; and five sons, Robert, William, Hugh, Ivo de Grandmesnil, and Aubrey. William (who later settled in Apulia), Ivo, and Aubrey were among the rope-dancers of Antioch in 1098, who deserted the besieged crusader army in the city by letting themselves down the walls at night. Robert (d. c.1136) succeeded to Hugh's Norman estates, which he governed as a supporter of Henry I. The English lands went to Ivo, who seems previously to have acted as his father's steward (dapifer).
K. S. B. KEATS-ROHAN
Биография:
Grandmesnil, Hugh de (d. 1098), baron and administrator, was the eldest of the three sons of Robert, lord of Grandmesnil (in the canton of St Pierre-sur-Dives, Calvados) in Normandy, and Hawise, daughter of Giroie, lord of Echauffour and Montreuil-l'Argillé (whose family were both vassals and rivals of the Bellême family). Hawise was, secondly, the wife of William, son of Robert, archbishop of Rouen; she eventually became a nun at Montivilliers accompanied by two of her daughters, for whom her son Hugh made provision. When their father died in 1040, Hugh and his brother Robert apparently each inherited part of the family fief. Their youngest brother, Arnold, and their cousin William de Montreuil went to Apulia as mercenaries c.1050. Hugh and Robert were immortalized by their decision to found a monastery, according to a fashion then sweeping Normandy, some time about 1050. The site chosen being unsuitable, they followed the advice of their uncle William fitz Giroie and decided to refound the ancient abbey of St Evroult, first compensating the monks of Bec who then owned the ruins. The monk and historian of St Evroult, Orderic Vitalis, tells of the generous endowment of the abbey by the brothers and their maternal kin. In the same year the younger brother Robert entered the abbey as a monk; he became its abbot in 1059.
Falsely accused by Mabel de Bellême, wife of Roger de Montgomery, in the wake of a rebellion by Robert fitz Giroie, Hugh and Robert de Grandmesnil, among others of their maternal kin, were exiled in 1061. Robert became an abbot in Sicily, but Hugh was recalled in 1064 and subsequently fought with Duke William at Hastings. The move undoubtedly made his fortune. During William's absence in Normandy in 1067, Grandmesnil was among those left in charge. By 1086 he was castellan and sheriff of Leicestershire, where he held sixty-seven manors. He also held extensive property in Nottinghamshire, Hertfordshire, Northamptonshire, Gloucestershire, Warwickshire, and Suffolk. Several of his Norman vassals held these lands from him, including Hugh and Robert Burdet, Osbert de Neufmarché, and Walter de Beaumais. He returned to Normandy in 1068 to check on the activities of his beautiful French wife, Adelize or Adeliza (d. 11 July 1091), daughter of Ivo, count of Beaumont-sur-Oise. Adelize's English dower lands were recorded separately from her husband's in the Domesday survey of 1086. They included manors in Bedfordshire, which Hugh had acquired by exchange with Ralph Taillebois. After Ralph's death (before 1086) Hugh disputed Ralph's inheritance with Hugh de Beauchamps, Ralph's son-in-law and principal heir, and with the husband of Ralph's niece, Ranulf, brother of Ilger.
Two of Grandmesnil's sons, Ivo and Aubrey, earned their father's disapproval by joining the revolt of the king's son Robert Curthose in 1078. Hugh was among those who helped to effect a reconciliation between the king and Robert in 1079. Although he supported Curthose against William II in 10878, Hugh retained his offices under the new king. He was in Normandy in January 1091, assisting Robert de Courcy, husband of his daughter Rohais, against Robert de Bellême. This action provoked conflict with Robert Curthose, but matters were resolved by the appearance of William II in Normandy. Hugh de Grandmesnil was in England when he died, on 22 February 1098, a few days after becoming a monk of St Evroult, whose habit had previously been sent to him for the purpose. His body was buried later the same year at St Evroult, where Orderic Vitalis wrote his epitaph. Hugh and Adelize had ten children: five daughters, Adelina (who married Roger d'Ivry), Rohais (Robert de Courcy), Matilda (Hugh de Montpinçon), Agnes (William de Sai), and Hawise; and five sons, Robert, William, Hugh, Ivo de Grandmesnil, and Aubrey. William (who later settled in Apulia), Ivo, and Aubrey were among the rope-dancers of Antioch in 1098, who deserted the besieged crusader army in the city by letting themselves down the walls at night. Robert (d. c.1136) succeeded to Hugh's Norman estates, which he governed as a supporter of Henry I. The English lands went to Ivo, who seems previously to have acted as his father's steward (dapifer).
K. S. B. KEATS-ROHAN